{ "episodeId": "SLP472", "speakers": { "stephan": { "name": "Stephan Livera", "role": "host", "tag": "STEPHAN" }, "matyas_kuchar": { "name": "Matyas Kuchar", "role": "guest", "tag": "MATYAS" } }, "segments": [ { "speaker": "stephan", "time": "00:08", "start": 8.49, "text": "Hi and welcome to Stephan Livera podcast, a show about Bitcoin and Austrian economics, brought to you by Swan Bitcoin. Swan dot com or the Swan Bitcoin app available for smartphone, Apple or Android, is an easy way to safely and easily buy Bitcoin. With recurring purchase plans, you can do one time buys, and Swan offers free custody in your own legally owned trust account. And of course, not your keys, not your coins. Swan also offers free automated withdrawals to self custody. 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Long time listener." }, { "speaker": "stephan", "time": "03:11", "start": 190.56, "text": "Yeah, well, hey, that's great, and, I know you're doing some interesting stuff, obviously with BTC Prague, and wanted to chat with you a little bit about the Czech Bitcoin scene, what's going on there, and, yeah, do you wanna just start with a little bit of a background on yourself just for listeners who don't know you?" }, { "speaker": "matyas_kuchar", "time": "03:27", "start": 206.57, "text": "yeah, yeah, happy to, happy to do that. so my name is I've been living most of my life in, in abroad. I've been traveling, traveling a lot, but then COVID hit me and I had to, I was forced to come back to Czech. So now I'm already, third year back in Czech. And the thing what I do is I organize Bitcoin events, and Bitcoin conferences, since last year. It's been one year since I kind of opted out from regular Fiat job and now I'm full time in Bitcoin. Bitcoin, together with my brother Martin. So we have a family business and we work together and that's, that's, that's what we focus and that's our contribution back to the network." }, { "speaker": "stephan", "time": "04:17", "start": 256.75, "text": "Yeah, and as I understand, so this is BTC Prague coming up is going to be the, you know, the, the big event, but this isn't your first event, right? You've been organizing events for years. So can you tell us a little bit about what you've been doing, before BTC Prague?" }, { "speaker": "matyas_kuchar", "time": "04:29", "start": 269.34, "text": "Yeah, for sure. we have, four years of I think, under our belt, we started in the COVID time in two thousand twenty with our first, Bitcoin conference. It was, quite small, but not that small. It was five hundred people. We held it, in the university campus, and the second year was double, so it was one thousand people, and our third conference, called ChainCamp, it was two thousand people, so we had to move from the university campus Campus to, to different venue because it was too small for us. And so now we, we, organize two events per year. One is, our Czech speaking conference, Czech and Slovak, let's say it this way, and the second one is international and that's BTC Prague." }, { "speaker": "stephan", "time": "05:22", "start": 321.75, "text": "Fantastic. And so it's, it's pretty interesting to me that in, you know, if you add up the population of, let's say Czech Republic and Slovakia, that's something like ten million people, right?" }, { "speaker": "matyas_kuchar", "time": "05:33", "start": 333.14, "text": "Yeah, yeah, yeah. Czech, Czech Republic Like ten million, Slovakia, another, another four or five million, I guess." }, { "speaker": "stephan", "time": "05:39", "start": 338.76, "text": "Gotcha. So, so let's say fifteen million, something like that. And to get two thousand people coming to a conference where, you know, the total population is about fifteen million who can speak that language, it's pretty high in terms of, I guess, if you're thinking pound for pound, how many people you're able to get to an event. So I think it speaks something to, let's say, the enthusiasm for Bitcoin amongst people in Czechia, right? So So I'm curious if you can add any, insight for us there on, you know, the scene. as I understand, there are elements of Bitcoin history that come from the Czech Republic as well, right? Obviously, s- what used to be called Slush Pool is now Brains, Trezor is there as well, and some others. So can you tell us a little bit about, you know, how is it that, you know, you're able to punch, you know, so much above your weight?" }, { "speaker": "matyas_kuchar", "time": "06:32", "start": 391.9, "text": "Yeah, yeah, yeah. No, you, you Bitcoin and, and kind of freedom rooted in us in Czech and Slovakia, because, because in the early days, let's say it all started, in two thousand ten or two thousand eleven in a small hacker space in Prague called Birmelab, where the smartest mind in, in this time, were meeting and geeking about Bitcoin, and they were looking for, solution for the questions like how they can store Bitcoin safely or how can they mine Bitcoin more effectively or how they can exchange Bitcoin, and these questions were the base of, the solution. So the first ever hardware wallet by Trezor, by Stick and Slash. Pavel Rusnag and Marek Palatinus, was developed in Prague, the first, mining pool was, was also founded in Prague by Slash, then operated by Brains until now, or the biggest, ATM, B-BTC ATM manufacturer is also from Prague, made by Karol Kiełowski, General Bytes, or the, the very famous Bitcoin café, Parallel Universe, is, is run, since 2014. Solely on Bitcoin and other crypto, they don't use fiat and they circumvent the whole, whole system, whole government system, and, and they've been very successful, with their three-floor cafe in the, in Prague, and, and people are meeting there, and, and it's, it's super cool, and maybe that's why, we were so successful with our Czech speaking conference, because, the roots are, are very deep, and, we, we have support From all of these companies and, the people understands Bitcoin quite natural because of our history as, as we were under Russian occupation for such a long time and, the communists, like to, like to rule, rule and central plan everything, but Czechs they know very well that it's not the good way. So if there is some another option Some alternative, they are happy to, happy to try it, and, if, if, if it's, if it's good, they, they'll just adapt it very quickly and don't think about it, too much." }, { "speaker": "stephan", "time": "09:07", "start": 547.18, "text": "Yeah, that's interesting. So maybe that," }, { "speaker": "matyas_kuchar", "time": "09:08", "start": 548.22, "text": "that, that, that's why we, we, we were so, we were so, successful, and lucky with, with our Czech speaking conference. Also, there were no other Bitcoin conferences in, in that time in two thousand twenty." }, { "speaker": "stephan", "time": "09:22", "start": 561.9, "text": "I see, yeah. And as I understand, you know, from talking to, you know, Czech people, it's that, you know, there are-- Obviously, there are obviously a bunch of Bitcoiners and libertarian-minded people, but it's not that, you know, every Czech person is a libertarian who's read Murray Rothbard or things like this, but it's kind of like maybe they have some slightly libertarian or at least anti-communist attitudes. Would that be fair to say?" }, { "speaker": "matyas_kuchar", "time": "09:47", "start": 586.7, "text": "You know, it's, it's hard for me to speak very broadly about Czechs be- Because I've been living many years abroad, yeah, and since I'm back, I, I kind of live in my own little bubble. But I would say that the young people, yes, they are more, more, liberty oriented and, and, and freedom-loving people, but the old, all generations are still like, I would say half-half. Some of them even, gravitates towards, towards, the left. left side of the government because they, they feel it was safe time. It, they, they had, they had certain, certain things they were, not, not need to worry about, yeah, like the job and, and the economic situation, so now the new time, it, it, it makes everything more difficult." }, { "speaker": "stephan", "time": "10:43", "start": 643.28, "text": "Yeah, interesting. but nevertheless, is there seems to be a pretty strong scene, at least in the, the two times I visited Prague, of course. Of course, you can't expect everyone to be, you know, libertarian or bitcoin or et cetera, but there seems to be a pretty strong scene from when I, when I, when I visited, and so I thought that was really cool that, you know, there's this parallel Nipolus, this entire building where it's, you know, no fiat, like literally you can pay Bitcoin and Lightning, and, you know, there, there are people around who are, you know, coming from a similar mindset, they're coming from a sci-fi, sci-fi, sci-fi About that aspect of it in Prague, like are there places you can, you can spend Bitcoin?" }, { "speaker": "matyas_kuchar", "time": "11:27", "start": 687.09, "text": "Yeah, yeah, there are, there are places you can sp-spend Bitcoin, not so many as it used to be, I would say, like, like four years ago. I, I feel like now many things because of the long bear market, they kind of forget on it, you know, because there weren't so many people coming regularly, so they just, they just canceled the payments like last year. But- Still, you can pay pretty much anything what you want on our biggest Czech, online, retail shop, Alza. Since two thousand and seventeen, they are accepting Bitcoin, they're accepting also Lightning payments. So if you need anything from electronics and clothes and like, like pretty much everything what you, what you can wish for, you can buy online and pay with Bitcoin." }, { "speaker": "stephan", "time": "12:17", "start": 737.21, "text": "Yeah, and that's pretty cool because it's kind of like a-- As I understand, it's kind of like a Czech- Like equivalent of Amazon, and if you go to alpha dot cz, you can pay Lightning just natively, right? Like if you can imagine if Amazon just let you take Lightning payments or do Lightning payments to, you know, deliver you stuff, I mean, it's kind of cool in that sense. And as I understand, there's maybe a few cafes and a few places around town, you know, not just Parallel Nepolys, but there are other places around town that you can, you can do that. So that's cool. Yeah. So I think, yeah, it'd be interesting" }, { "speaker": "stephan", "time": "12:51", "start": 771.27, "text": "Events and what goes into organizing a Bitcoin conference from your perspective. So do you wanna just tell us a little bit about, you know, what are the main, challenges or hurdles you face there when you're trying to organize a Bitcoin event?" }, { "speaker": "matyas_kuchar", "time": "13:04", "start": 784.38, "text": "Maybe I'll start with the history again. Like, it, it, it used to be only me and my brother Martin. We, we did everything in two person, the, the whole preparation, and then you're coming, closer to an event, and you need more people. So it's really- I feel like, you, you, it's, it's, it's, it's different because you're working, few months or now for BTC Prague, we work all year, we do the preparation and then just in three days it's, it's over, you know? So, the, it's kind of like, it's very fitting for, especially my personality because I like, low time preference and this is, this is exactly it, you know? We are planning the whole year and, and then in three days it's, it's over, ever A lot of people, it's, the bus and, the noise around is, is really un-unprecedented and, and, endorphins are like sparkling in your brain. It, it, it's great, but it's a lot of work. Fortunately, we are two, me and my brother, so we split the business really half and a half. Each of us has different abilities and, and likes, likes different things. So I would say that's, that's a big advantage, for us because we- We can, we can trust each other, and, if we're traveling, for example, and visiting other conferences, we can really say, okay, now, now it's your time, you go to Honeybadger, I'll fly to LA, you know, and we can, we can split and be kind of everywhere." }, { "speaker": "stephan", "time": "14:39", "start": 878.54, "text": "Gotcha. Yeah. And so when it comes to organizing, I guess, bigger events, this is something where, you know, it takes a certain level of logistics, right? Because it's one thing to organize, let's say, Bitcoin. Smaller Bitcoin meetups or maybe small events, maybe like a hundred, two hundred people, but getting to-- once you start getting to, let's say, two thousand people, now there's a whole new level of logistics required because you're doing things like, how are you gonna get tickets for that many people? You're gonna have to let that many people come through, you're gonna have to think about, okay, seating, and, you know, is there gonna be like a livestream? Is there gonna be, you know, and then, because now you might have a lot of speakers" }, { "speaker": "stephan", "time": "15:21", "start": 921.19, "text": "To it from that perspective." }, { "speaker": "matyas_kuchar", "time": "15:23", "start": 923.31, "text": "Yeah, yeah, you're right. There are so many moving parts, and, each of this part must be set in the timeframe, and, you have to think, W-w-when is the good time to really focus on that? So the first, what, what you have to find is a venue, of course. The venue must be good, must be very well, chosed for, for the purpose. And to be honest, there aren't so many venues for ten thousand people, you know? So that was, that was kind of easy. Then you have to choose a date and, you have to choose good partners, not only from the Bitcoin perspective, like, our sponsors, but also, agencies who Make this whole thing happen from the technical point of view, from, stuffing, from catering and, all kind of, all kind of stuff. So, the thing that we are doing is already for years, it helps us a lot because we already have our, our team very well set and, they are all experienced, most of them they are bitcoiners, so that helps a lot because they, they kind of feel, about this Not only as a business, but also as something close to their heart, and you can see that on, on their faces and, and when you visit, visit, Bitcoin event, you always see smiling faces and, and that's good." }, { "speaker": "stephan", "time": "16:47", "start": 1007.24, "text": "Awesome. And so, yeah, tell us a little bit about what you're thinking with BTC Prague and- How you're basically trying to help di-differentiate this, because there are a range of Bitcoin events out there, as I'm sure you're well aware of. What's different about BTC Prague?" }, { "speaker": "matyas_kuchar", "time": "17:03", "start": 1023.36, "text": "Well, what's different? When we start thinking about BTC Prague, the idea was like really simple. There were no other big, Bitcoin conferences in Europe. Now we have so many, conferences, popping out like mushrooms in, in Germany, in Spain, in, in- In England, in Latvia, there was a Honey Badger al-always, yeah, that was the only Bitcoin conference in Europe. And so we said to ourselves, let's, let's do it big, let's do it in the middle of the Europe, so because Prague is very accessible, very cost-effective, and there is also history with Prague, because the first ever Bitcoin conference in two thousand eleven was in Prague, it was organized by Amir Takh Key. Max Kaiser was there with Stacy Hardbart. So we said out to ourselves and, and we are kind of joking about it, \"Make, make Prague great again.\" And, so we wanted to make it international. We want to make it big and mix bitcoiners with normies. Because, we see that, that the, the most biggest problem with Bitcoin is not only the adoption, but also we need, more workers for Bitcoin. We need people, from different parts of the, of the, working, mark, of the job markets to fill the space And help Bitcoin grow. So my big wish is that we will shift maybe one or two thousand Bitcoiner, we will sparkle their attention And they will stop being just users and they will slowly opt out to Bitcoin and start contributing and help Bitcoin grow, because the adoption is very important, the adoption must be quicker than the regulation, but we have to build the tools And for the tools, we need more workers, and now I, I see it, from the first hand, because we are looking for people, who are experienced in, for example, marketing, but they need to know also about Bitcoin. And, the companies we are talking, talking to, Bitcoin companies, they all looking for people to join their workforce. So that's probably one thing what we want to do differently. We want to focus on, shifting Bitcoiners from Users to actually level up, like being a part of Bitcoin ecosystem and contribute. And the other thing what we want to do differently is focus on the community, because as a Europe, we are because of the language barriers, we have so many languages, the communities are kind of scattered around and they don't communicate, with each other and they don't share the knowledge. And when you travel, to, around Bitcoin conferences in Europe Europe, I especially like the ones I don't understand the language, because it gives me absolutely different perspective about the community, and I see that each community is a little bit different. They usually, they are same from eight, eight from ten points, but those two points, which differs, they are really, really interesting, and, and I believe that we can learn from each other, we can learn from Germans, Germans can learn from us something And overall, this will, this will help Bitcoin not only in Europe, but worldwide." }, { "speaker": "stephan", "time": "20:37", "start": 1237.16, "text": "Yeah, it's an interesting point about trying to grow adoption and, I guess, get people to take that next step. And maybe not for everybody, maybe there are some people who, you know, maybe just using Bitcoin is all they're ever gonna do. They're not necessarily gonna go and work in some kind of Bitcoin job or Bitcoin company or develop things, you know, on or with Bitcoin. But nevertheless, having those opportunities is, is, you know, it's a good thing. for employers to meet employees and employees to meet employers, so that's interesting from a networking perspective. But yeah, certainly it seems-- Look, I'm, I'm not from the EU, obviously, I've visited the EU a couple times, but from the outside looking in, it looks kinda bad from the EU regulation and government perspective. And so I think it would be good to try to grow the, bitcoiners who are in the EU who can maybe push- Back in some way, or in some cases, there are, there are already a bunch of Bitcoiners inside the EU, but maybe they're not as well connected to coordinate their efforts to push back against some of what's going on. So I'm curious if you have any thoughts around that." }, { "speaker": "matyas_kuchar", "time": "21:46", "start": 1306.38, "text": "Yeah, I have some thoughts, yeah. I, I feel the pressure from, from European Union, from the governments. they, they aren't aligned with, with values of Bitcoiners. It's turning really left and- And most of, most of the people, don't like it, but they have no other choice because it's not very easy, easy to, to opt out. So I, I'm not a fan of regulation, not at all, and I believe that we have to build some algorithmic tools to circumvent the regulations and give power to people who seek for some escape tool. Yeah. So I, I kind of believe in the future of sovereign individual, but also I'm, I'm ready to fight for, for Europe, and I don't want to leave again. So it's kind of- I'm kind of standing in the middle now, and I think it's good to try to win this battle, for Europe, and hopefully, hopefully, we're gonna win, we have to win, and, but there are, there are, options to leave if-- and, and you know it, you know it very well, right? There, there are options for, for those who, who just, who just want to, who just want to leave and, and, and don't, don't, don't care about the- Regulation" }, { "speaker": "stephan", "time": "23:13", "start": 1393.03, "text": "too much. Yeah, and certainly there is a good point there about the bottom-up nature of Bitcoin, right? It's not just top-down trying to get the right, you know, the right person, you know, sometimes that's always, Sometimes that ends up being a folly, right? Trying to think, \"Oh, it's just about getting this right person elected\" or et cetera. But maybe the people who can focus on that and- Educating or at least trying to push back at that level, they can focus on that, and then those, those people who are really good at growing the bottom-up adoption can focus on that, whether that's trying to get merchants on board or teach individual users how to use Bitcoin, how to save with Bitcoin, all of these things, how to develop and contribute, all of these aspects of it, where if you can create an event where people can come together and do those kinds of things, then maybe you can sort of grow it from a bottom-up perspective so that that- Where even if there's all these crazy things happening at that, you know, governmental level, there are people just on the ground who are just using Bitcoin, and you can't really stop them." }, { "speaker": "matyas_kuchar", "time": "24:15", "start": 1454.56, "text": "And the regulators and policymakers, they're also people, so it's important to onboard them, or infill them. So may-- because once they, once they understand Bitcoin, now they are acting from ignorance, but if we, if we have a chance to orange peel them, maybe they will change their mind and they will fight for Bitcoin even on their government soil. So that's another, another thing what, I hope we will bridge and connect Bitcoiners, Bitcoin entrepreneurs with the policymakers so the regulations are more friendly and the companies, don't- Have to leave Europe." }, { "speaker": "stephan", "time": "24:53", "start": 1492.81, "text": "Yeah. And so when it comes to BTC Prague then, do you wanna just tell us a little bit about themes in terms of what sort of things you're focusing on from a, let's say, from a speakers or from a, you know, what kind of sessions you're going to be hosting? What's the approach there with BTC Prague?" }, { "speaker": "matyas_kuchar", "time": "25:12", "start": 1512.2, "text": "Yeah, so the BTC Prague is, made for everyone. if you are a Bitcoin, enthusiast or a Bitcoin professional So entrepreneur, developer, or just a newbie, it's for everyone. Everyone will find something, valuable there. the main event is from eight to ten June, so it's a Thursday, Friday, and Saturday. And when we started, it was just BTC Prague, but then we quickly realized that it's, it's growing, and now it seems, it's like, it's not BTC Prague, but it's, Bitcoin Week in Prague. Because it, it, it's stretched, till Tuesday already. So maybe I'll start chronologically and explain, every day, and then I'll, I'll just deep, dive deep into the BTC Prague program So on Tuesday, that's the sixth of June, there will be some site events like, Bitcoin Runners and, some Black Party. Then we go for, Wednesday, which is very important day for everyone who mean it seriously and like to, like to geek out about Bitcoin, because we are throwing a site event called Developer Hack Day, DHD for short, which is a site event, in separate venue, but not Not far from the main venue, we will host five hundred people there in four separate workshop rooms. So there will be four main tracks, Bitcoin Core, second layers, sovereign individual stuff, and just having fun. So if you like to geek about Bitcoin, that's a must, attend opportunity. in the evening, we will have no street up. For all Nostrilovers and Cypherpunk Meetup, for all privacy, privacy lovers. And, and that's the end of, Wednesday, and we're coming for Thursday, which is the first official day of BTC Prague. It's Industry Day, that means that, the tickets are really, exclusive and limited because we want to, make sure there is enough space and time that people can talk about business and strengthen the network, so there will be no retail on Thursday, and the whole program will be structured more for professionals, and, we will also, throw out the startup pitch contest. which will be, which will be out, probably very soon. So just, just watch our website, everything you can find there. The Thursday is for everyone who mean it seriously with Bitcoin and, like to dive, dive deep and network. and then we have Friday and Saturday, those are general admissions day, and this is really for, everyone. the program will go on three stages, one main stage for, bitcoiners, not beginners. Let, let, let me be clear that the, the program on the main stage is, not for newbies. It's more for people who know the basics, at least like have their wallet set up and, and know how to send transactions, so there will be no, no newbie stalks at all, and we kind of feel that, Bitcoiners are people who like to do their own research, so we will, we will encourage people to, we will kind of sparkle their attention with short keynotes, we will share some secret sauce with them and, just, give them a small direction where they should be looking for More informations, because a-as you can, as you know, Bitcoin ecosystem is growing so fast, so rapidly that we aren't able to cover everything. So we are just choosing, the most important and most trendy topics around, and most important from a point of view, that we want the listeners, the audience to be safe. To not fall into some traps. So, yeah, the program will be great, I can promise that we have, we have great names, we have all kind of speakers from the categories like, OG researchers like Adam Back, Jameson Lopp, Peter Tord, or entrepreneurs like Michael Saylor for the first time in Europe, he's coming in person, with Eric Weiss, the person who orange built him, famously. We have authors like Saifedine Amos, Knut Swanholt, or Alex Zwetsky, who will be introducing, all of them will be introducing new book, at BTC Prague, and there will be book corner where you can get a signature from these guys, and, and many more. we have educators, we have influencers from every, major, country, and, yeah, yeah, the, the list goes on. have, have you, have you seen, seen our speakers? Who, who, who is your favorite? Yeah, of course. I've seen," }, { "speaker": "stephan", "time": "30:36", "start": 1835.63, "text": "I've, I've, I've took a quick look. Obviously, looking forward to catching up with a bunch of people there. You know, people like Safdean and, you know, other, you know, people in there. You, the, you've even got, Abu Bakar from, Nigeria, Abu Bakar Noor Khalil, he's the CEO of Recursive Capital. He's got a lot of interesting things to say and has interesting insights because he So there's also an expo ticket, so do you wanna just tell us a little bit about that as well? What's involved with the expo ticket versus, let's say, because you've got different tickets, right? There's the expo ticket, the general ticket, industry day ticket, well, industry plus general, and then the whale ticket. So just, do you wanna just spell out the difference in those tickets there?" }, { "speaker": "matyas_kuchar", "time": "31:20", "start": 1879.9, "text": "Okay, so I'll start with the, with the basic ticket, that's expo ticket, the price is now only nine euros, so, that's, that's I think the base price very cheap, very affordable, so everyone can go. How else you, you want to orange bill some newbies, then just tell them, okay, this is like, This is a price which you don't have to think about twice, yeah? I-if-if you have a time and it's nice weather, just come to BTC Prague, and learn something new, have a good conversation. It's a fair, so everybody, everyone loves fairs, yeah? You just walk around, seeing in-in-interesting stuff, many booths. So, yeah, coming back, expo ticket, it gives you access to the whole- Area, whole venue except the main stage, because the main stage is made for Bitcoiners, for people who already know the basics. So we don't need to mix them together, and we set the two other stages, which is outside stage and expo stage, for newbies. So they will find their, their beginner, content there. They can learn from, from the best Czech, Slovak, and foreign speakers, how to safely enter Bitcoin, how to buy Bitcoin, sell Bitcoin, with KYC, without KYC, all the options will be available example, how to, safely store Bitcoin, they can learn about the freedom topics and, pretty much everything what is, what is important, how to, how to do a seed recovery, and so we kind of saying that we will walk them through the, the basic basics, of the, of the Bitcoin rabbit hole So if they come without Bitcoin, they will go, home with some Bitcoin. So the, the, the expo ticket is made for beginners, pre-coiners, people who already, know something about, crypto or Bitcoin, but they aren't maybe not sure what's the difference. And it's made for people who naturally gravitates towards Bitcoin, we-- because we, we kind of say that we follow the Satoshi quote, \"If you don't get it, or don't believe me, we don't have the time, try to convince you.\" Sorry. Yeah. So we follow this quote and, and the content is made for people who are open to new technologies and, and want, want to have something what will help them survive the, the economic- And geopolitical storm which is coming, and I think it's very obvious for those who have eyes open." }, { "speaker": "stephan", "time": "34:13", "start": 2053.02, "text": "And so then the standard ticket is the, conference ticket, so that's the, the, the main Bitcoiner access, Bitcoiner stage or main stage access. And so, do you wanna just outline a little bit about the different tickets there?" }, { "speaker": "matyas_kuchar", "time": "34:27", "start": 2067.23, "text": "For sure, Stefan. so the, the standard ticket, conference ticket, gives you access for the main stage plus the whole- Venue for Friday and Saturday. That means you have same thing what, what is Expo? That's a big fair with one hundred Bitcoin booths, companies, you can meet all the important people from Bitcoin space, chat them with, on the booth, try the product. But also you can go to the main stage and watch the content since nine morning until six, in the evening. Then we have the, we, we have the, industry ticket, which gives you access to one extra day, which is Thursday, and, the last one is the whale pass, which gives you access to, whale area, where you can meet all, the sea level people from the companies, plus all speakers, and there will be small Wale stage, which is not recorded, and that's why it's very, very exclusive, and, you can, you can ask question right, right there and maybe, use this opportunity as a icebreaker and, and make a connection network with, with really the, the people who are in the front of, Bitcoin development." }, { "speaker": "stephan", "time": "35:50", "start": 2150.08, "text": "Great. So, yeah, so there's a range of tickets there. I like the idea The idea of having a very cheap expo ticket, so that way you can bring-- because I think that's especially useful for the pre-coiners, right? They're, they're not willing to-- obviously, if you're not as into it, you're not willing to spend a lot, but you might be willing to just come and try it out for nine euros, right? Just try it out and see, and then hopefully there's a chance that, you know, people watch some Bitcoin content, get converted, and then they're talking to Bitcoiners, and then they can sort of have their In terms of inside Europe, it's relatively cost effective, right? So in terms of flying there, in terms of getting a hotel there, buying food there, in my experience, it's been relatively cheap, so that's also a useful thing, when people are looking at their budget in terms of how much it's gonna cost to get there and pay for a hotel and buy food and buy drinks and things like that, and have some, you know, Czech beer and stuff like that, which is also, you know, famous for the beer. So I think that's For people to think about also." }, { "speaker": "matyas_kuchar", "time": "36:55", "start": 2215.0, "text": "Yeah, yeah, yeah. I think it's good idea to actually plan this as a, as a holiday because June in Prague is really nice. So if you are a Bitcoiner and you have maybe family of pre-coiners or, pre-coiner friends Just, just book, book, book few days as a holiday. the pre-coiners don't have to pay the full price for a conference ticket, they can just enjoy one day at the expo and, and the rest of, the stay in the city, look for the, beautiful architecture and, maybe take a, take a boat tour on Vltava River, it's really beautiful. And so you can, we, in Czech we say, \"You can kill two,\" \"you can.\" CO2 flies with one splash, you can orange peel them, but also enjoy a really nice holiday in Prague." }, { "speaker": "stephan", "time": "37:48", "start": 2267.83, "text": "Awesome. So yeah, I think those, I think those are the key points that, are useful for people to know. I'm obviously a fan of, you know, trying to org-trying to get out to Bitcoin events and try to help promote, because I think there's, obviously there's so much value to podcasts and articles and books and things. Obviously, I do a podcast and I write articles and I do that stuff, but I think these in-person events, there And a certain ability that you can help convert people, you can help actually reach people in a way that you can't just on like podcasts and YouTube and articles. of course, podcasts and articles and books and things they help, but having that in-person connection, it just helps you really take it to the next level and be able to actually teach somebody, right? That, that's where I can actually teach someone how to use a Bitcoin wallet or how to use a hardware device or, you know, I can actually-- there's just a more high-bandwidth communication Right? Because that person can then ask you questions back, and you can, you can sort of get a sense of where they are in terms of how, how much of a newbie are they, or maybe they're an intermediate or an advanced level person, so you can sort of, come to them with the right level. so I think those are probably the key points I'm seeing. any, anything else you wanted to mention about, about the event and, you know, why people should," }, { "speaker": "matyas_kuchar", "time": "39:05", "start": 2344.8, "text": "yeah, go. Yeah, I want to, I want to-- This is Part, like overall, what our conference is about, it's, it's all what you just said about the, the ability to teach people in person, to meet in the real world, and also I think that if you come to the conference, you get the conviction that it's a real thing, that Bitcoin is, is rooted in the real world. You see the companies, you see the people, you see the usage, and that gives you the very needed conviction to hold. And survive the volatility, yeah? because if you just spend, most of the time behind the screen and watch the content and, and listen the content from podcast and YouTube's and from books, you don't get the, the real, yeah, the connection with, with, with Bitcoin ecosystem, because you, you don't see how, how it's growing every year. If you visiting conferences regularly, you see the growth with your own eyes, and that, that gives you- You the very needed conviction to became a Bitcoiner and, to work together on a better future." }, { "speaker": "stephan", "time": "40:18", "start": 2417.67, "text": "Yeah, and I think that's an also, that's a really good point because there are people who maybe their first time at some of these things, until they've gone to an event, they haven't built that conviction or it didn't feel real, right? It's a subjective thing, but it just doesn't feel real until you go to an event and you see other Bitcoiners who are there talking about it and excited about it, and it, it can be, can- Pages, right? That excitement, the passion, and the, the, those a-elements are important also. And I've seen, I've seen that, in terms of other, you know, friends I have in the space who maybe the first time they went to an event, maybe the first time they went to a conference, and then they later went on to organize their own conferences or their own meetups in their home area. So, especially, I mean, as, as we are now in April twenty twenty-three, you know, who knows, are we, are we re-entering And you're thinking, okay, I've got maybe some family or some friends who maybe they're only a little bit interested. Maybe this is now the time to kind of, you know, strike while the iron is hot, right? Like if the, if the bull market is coming back, the excitement is coming back, now's the time to try to pull them along to this event. You can get them onto the cheap ticket and just get them started that way with the expo ticket, and, you know, that might be enough to help, help them go on their own journey, right? And sort of" }, { "speaker": "stephan", "time": "41:41", "start": 2500.54, "text": "Listeners of course, go to btcprague dot com, you obviously use code livera if you are buying your tickets, and, yeah, anything else? Anything else, you know, any final, you know, last message you wanna leave for people?" }, { "speaker": "matyas_kuchar", "time": "41:53", "start": 2513.03, "text": "Yeah, let me just invite you all in Prague, it will be our pleasure to, to welcome you on our event. I'm sure you will love it. It will be huge. It will be the biggest Bitcoin event in all Europe, so you cannot miss it. And I will be happy, happy to, to have a beer with everyone and chat and, and, and have fun." }, { "speaker": "stephan", "time": "42:16", "start": 2535.62, "text": "Fantastic. Well, thanks for joining me, Matt. See you there." }, { "speaker": "matyas_kuchar", "time": "42:18", "start": 2538.3, "text": "Thank you very much, Stefan. Bye." }, { "speaker": "stephan", "time": "42:21", "start": 2540.6, "text": "Show notes are available at stephanlivera dot com. Thanks for listening, and I'll see you in the citadels." } ] }